UN for Men Too

UN for Men Too ยท the plain questions

Is it about being male, or about being poor and a minority? The UN study answers this itself.

The strongest objection to everything on this site is that men who suffer are usually suffering as poor men, minority men, migrant men, and that sex is the wrong axis to build anything on. It is a serious argument and it is half right. It also has an answer that nobody here wrote: the UN's own study puts both axes in a single sentence, and the summary sent to member states carries neither of them.

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Is male disadvantage really about race and class rather than sex?

The UN's Global Study does not choose. Its recommendations ask states to address the overrepresentation of boys and of children from ethnic or racial minorities and from disadvantaged socio-economic groups, in one sentence, as three named axes.

That framing is the honest one. The sex skew is large and holds across countries: 94 per cent of children detained in the administration of justice, armed conflict and national security settings are boys. Which boys varies with where you are. Both statements are true and the study makes both.

3axes named together in the study's recommendation: sex, ethnicity or race, and socio-economic group

UN Global Study on Children Deprived of Liberty, recommendations

Which boys are overrepresented in detention?

The study's answer is that several overlapping groups are, and it lists them: boys, children from disadvantaged backgrounds, migrant communities and ethnic minorities.

It states them as separate and cumulative categories rather than reducing one to another. A boy from an ethnic minority in a poor household sits at the intersection of three of them, which is an argument for measuring all three rather than for dropping any.

4categories the study names as overrepresented, of which boys is the first

UN Global Study on Children Deprived of Liberty

Did that recommendation reach member states?

No. The 23-page note transmitted to the General Assembly contains neither half of it. Not the overrepresentation of boys, and not ethnic or racial minorities, which appear nowhere in the note at all.

This matters for how the finding is described. It is not that boys were singled out for removal while race survived. A recommendation covering sex, ethnicity and poverty together did not travel, and the axis that fared worst in the summary is every axis in that sentence.

0of the three axes in that recommendation appear in A/74/136

A/74/136, searched in full

What would policy look like for something both gendered and raced?

It already exists in the study's own draft: one recommendation naming all the axes, and disaggregated data collection so each can be seen separately and in combination.

The study asks states to systematically collect disaggregated data to understand the pathways of boys and girls into detention. Disaggregation is the mechanism that makes an intersection visible at all. Without it the argument about which axis matters cannot be settled by anybody, in either direction.

1recommendation in the study asks for systematic disaggregated data collection

UN Global Study, chapter 8 recommendations

Isn't it poor men rather than men?

Class is a powerful predictor and this site does not dispute it. In the United States the gap in life expectancy between the richest and poorest one per cent of men is 14.6 years, which is larger than most differences between sexes.

The reply is that both are measured in the same country. Income is disaggregated, published annually and used in policy. Sex is disaggregated too. What does not exist is anyone whose job is to look at the male column and act on it, which is a gap in ownership rather than in data.

14.6years between the richest and poorest one per cent of American men

Chetty et al., JAMA 2016

Is male disadvantage universal or concentrated?

Concentrated, and that is not an argument against acting on it. Maternal mortality is also concentrated rather than universal, and it has a target, an indicator, a custodian agency and annual reporting.

The system already knows how to own an outcome that is concentrated in one sex without describing it as oppression. It has simply only ever built that machinery once. Concentration is the reason to measure something, not the reason to leave it uncounted.

10OECD policy markers exist, including disability and maternal health, and none for men or boys

OECD DAC policy markers, from OECD's own SDMX endpoint